Alaska Extended Forecast Discussion NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD 401 PM EDT Sat Aug 04 2018 Valid 12Z Wed Aug 08 2018 - 12Z Sun Aug 12 2018 A powerful upper low during the short range period will evacuate the Gulf of Alaska as it drifts down into the east-central Pacific. This gives way to a longwave trough which slowly tracks from the Aleutians to southeastern Alaska during the Day 4-6, August 8-10, window. While this is a relatively certain aspect of the forecast, what looms upstream is much more chaotic and unpredictable. The combination of what is currently Typhoon Shanshan and other tropical invests create a very nebulous forecast during the extratropical transition process. Some lead feature pushes out ahead of this mentioned typhoon with lowering pressures reaching just south of the western Aleutians by early Thursday. With a well established synoptic-scale pattern in place through Day 5/August 9, was able to utilize a modest amount of operational guidance. More specifically, a combination of the 12Z GFS/00Z ECMWF combined with the 00Z ECMWF/NAEFS means. Thereafter, poor run-to-run continuity with the handling of Shanshan decreases certainty in the forecast. The previous few GFS runs have been more aggressive bringing sub-970 mb pressures south of Aleutians by the conclusion of next weekend. The 00Z ECMWF was largely subdued with its evolution although the latest 12Z ECMWF trended considerably stronger. Ultimately, the choice was to utilize ensemble means from Day 6/August 10 onward, albeit with some consequences. Most notably, the ensembles were averaging the lead system with the typhoon which allowed for a more centered position. Unfortunately this is unrealistic in nature but could not trust the operational models by late next week. With recent GEFS mean solutions being the deepest, continued with the 00Z ECMWF/NAEFS ensemble approach which is a little more conservative. Ultimately the period will be quite wet with the series of upper troughs impacting the northeastern Pacific and locations upstream. If the surface pressures are as low as advertised by some of the models, it could prove to be rather windy by late in the period. The ensemble approach does not really reflect this but operational runs have been easily 20-30 mb stronger during this time of interest. Rubin-Oster WPC medium range Alaskan products including 500mb, surface fronts/pressures progs and sensible weather grids can be found at: http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/alaska/ak_5dayfcst500_wbg.gif http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/alaska/akmedr.shtml http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/alaska/ak_5km_gridsbody.html