Hawaii Extended Forecast Discussion NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD 723 AM EST Tue Jan 13 2015 Valid 00Z Wed Jan 14 2015 - 00Z Wed Jan 21 2015 The 13/00Z GEFS/ECENS ensembles and their deterministic guidance---are similar through 18/00Z. Both model solutions project a north-to-south erosion of the broad-scale Subtropical Ridge--between 17/00Z and 18/00z---then the 2 solutions begin to generate differences across the north central Pacific, downstream along the west coast of the Mainland and for Hawai'i. In short, differences in the Bering Sea for day 3-5 (16/12Z and 18/12Z) cascade into nearly 'out-of-phase' type solutions on day 6 (19/12Z). The GEFS/GFS solution becomes a faster/broader solution aloft across the mid-latitude Pacific between 130W and 170W. By 18/12z, it begins to generate an extra shortwave invof 40N 170W that quickly ejects northeastward into the eastern Aleutians near 45N 160W (@ 19/12Z)---a shortwave the deterministic ECMWF has near 45N 170W (@ 19/12Z). The 13/00Z GEFS/ECENS means are more stable---at the very least---with a sharping trough at 500mb along the Dateline---from the Bering Sea southward to 50N latitude---during this 19/12z time frame. Both means do signal the formation of a significant long wave trough along the Dateline---for days 7-8, but those details were far from resolved in the 13/00z forecast cycle. A recommendation for the Hawai'i forecast---utilize the 13/00Z ECENS means for the mass fields this forecast period. Its 13/00Z deterministic ECMWF run deemed helpful for the smaller-scale details until 19/12z---based on the comparison of its previous 12/00Z and the last two 00Z GEFS/GFS cycles (12/00Z and 13/00Z) . This will allow---with some certainty---to track and forecast a moderate 500mb mid-latitude trough passage from west to east---on Sunday and Monday. Its arrival and departure providing the sensible weather changes. Vojtesak