Hawaii Extended Forecast Discussion NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD 250 AM EDT Wed Oct 07 2020 Valid 00Z Thu Oct 08 2020 - 00Z Thu Oct 15 2020 A break in the subtropical ridge east of Hawai'i should allow for trades to be weak through Wednesday. The subtropical ridge shifts from the western Pacific to the north of the archipelago allowing a return of moderate trade winds Thursday and Friday. Of some interest is the guidance latching onto a stronger TUTT cell/retrograding upper low to the northwest of Marie. Remnants of Marie have trended back southward in the guidance, and combined with the mid-level low to the north, weaken the trades once more on Saturday before they re-freshen from Sunday onward and perhaps increase rain chances/bring light precipitation to portions of the 50th state. At the moment, the guidance advertises the heaviest rain during the next week to lie just northwest of the main islands from late Friday into Saturday, though it still appears to be modest at best -- 0.5-1" areal average amounts. The guidance is showing more cohesion with an upper trough moving from near the International Dateline Sunday to north of the archipelago late next Tuesday (though not with the main cyclone within it well to the north). This system should impact weather in and near the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument as a cold front moves into the region which should stay northwest of the main Hawaiian islands and degrade into a shear line by Monday and next Tuesday. The outlier at this moment is the 00z GFS which is the flattest and fastest with the feature as it allows a tropical cyclone -- Chanhom/16W -- to accelerate quicker than the other guidance and boot the upper trough eastward. Currently, the deterministic guidance is united in a weaker upper trough solution than the ensemble means, which is rare. Believe the upper trough will be stronger than seen in the 00z guidance suite, though not as strong as the 06/12z ECMWF advertised. Roth